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DGB-Chefin Anja Weber im Interview „Enteignung als letztes Mittel denkbar“
Düsseldorf · Die Chefin des Deutschen Gewerkschaftsbundes (DGB) in NRW spricht im Interview über die stockende Energiewende, den Schuldenberg der Kommunen und den immer knapperen bezahlbaren Wohnraum.

Anja Weber, die DGB-NRW-Chefin.
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