RKI-Präsident Lothar Wieler zum Corona-Sommer "Wir brauchen mehr als 80 Prozent zweimal Geimpfte"
Interview | Berlin · Die Inzidenzen liegen beruhigend niedrig, doch die gefährlichere Delta-Variante ist auf dem Vormarsch. Der RKI-Präsident spricht über die Gefahr einer vierten Welle und Empfehlungen fürs Reisen. Zu Fußballspielen vor Fans findet er klare Worte.
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Die Pandemie hat den Präsident des Robert-Koch-Institut ins Rampenlicht katapulitiert. Dennoch hat Lothar Wieler seine ruhige, besonnenen Art nicht verloren. Umso eindringlicher ist es, wenn er über ein mutierendes Virus spricht. Er setzt auf schnelle Fortschritte beim Impfen. Trotzdem hält er den Schutz an Schulen noch lange für notwendig.
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