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SPD-Kanzlerkandidat Olaf Scholz kündigt höhere Steuern für hohe Einkommen an
Interview | Berlin · Der SPD-Kanzlerkandidat, Vizekanzler und Finanzminister hat mit uns über Unterschiede zu Angela Merkel gesprochen, über seine Pläne für die Kanzlerschaft, neue Schulden und warum er nicht mehr SPD-Vorsitzender werden will.

Olaf Scholz am Freitag im Bundesfinanzministerium.
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